========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Fri, 27 Apr 90 Volume 90 : Issue 483 Today's Topics: Advice to Spectre GCR owners An Apology to Word Perfect Minix and ICD hard drives Portfolio Modem STE TOS / TOS 1.4/1.6 etc. (2 msgs) X Windows ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Apr 90 18:34:18 GMT From: obryan@gumby.wisc.edu (Mark O'Bryan) Subject: Advice to Spectre GCR owners Message-ID: <1990Apr27.183418.23566@gumby.cc.wmich.edu> In article <11272@portia.Stanford.EDU> zimm@portia.Stanford.EDU (Dylan Yolles) writes: > The Spectre GCR manual never makes it clear whether or not one can get > away with using the "Shutdown" menu option in Mac mode (versus just ejecting > the disks). > My advice: DON'T DO IT! I tried it *once* and now my hard drive > is garbled. (Yes, I'm using the new release of the Spectre software. Perhaps > the older software works better.) > > You have been warned! Evidently you have a different version of the Spectre manual than I do. On page 66, under the bold heading "Things You Definitely Should Not Ever Do", it states (3rd item in list) "You should never use Shutdown or Restart from the Finder." It goes on to explain exactly why. -- Mark T. O'Bryan Internet: obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 20:35:03 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!neat.cs.toronto.edu!omicron.cs.f su.edu!fsucs.cs.fsu.edu!boyd@ucsd.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: An Apology to Word Perfect Message-ID: <9004272032.AA02814@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu> In article <5873.263811fd@uwovax.uwo.ca>, 35002_3025@uwovax.uwo.ca writes: >In article <879@ncs.dnd.ca>, balkwill@ncs.dnd.ca (R. J. Balkwill) writes: > >> Now if only the price were to come down a little... >> --- >> Bob > > There should be a student price on Word Perfect at about $200... > >-- >Kevin-john Conway >...a librarian from hell... > I seem to remember it being more like $80, with a xerox of one's student ID. Offer could be over though. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey Boyd | "Nobody can be exactly like me. FSU Computer Science | Even I have trouble doing it." Technical Support Group | mail: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | - Tallulah Bankhead ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 18:08:46 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!jetson.uh.edu!richard@ucsd.e du Subject: Minix and ICD hard drives Message-ID: <6115.2638445f@jetson.uh.edu> Hello out there in net land I need any info and or tips that any one may have on setting up minix to run off of my ICD hard disk drive set up. I just purchased minix and if I am not mistaken I have seen some posts in the past about some twiddeling that must be done with the drive in order to use minix. any help would be greatly appreciated. Richard L. Coggins University of Houston ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 1990 17:05:17 MET DST From: LarsErikOsterud Subject: Portfolio Modem Message-ID: I read a notice about a 1200 baud plug-in modem for the Atari POrtfolio somewhere, and as this is NOT available in Norway I would like to know where I can get it and at what price. I see no point in buying an rs-232 plug-in cartridge and a separate modem if I can get all in one box... Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 19:30:51 GMT From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo) Subject: STE TOS / TOS 1.4/1.6 etc. Message-ID: <37990@brunix.UUCP> In article <2178@atari.UUCP| apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) writes: |J.Derrick@newcastle.ac.uk says he disassembled the ROMs and found some |things out. Here's my reply: | |I don't think it's wise to publish what you learned from the ROMs. |Atari *has* "published" far more information than you could learn from |TOS (since TOS doesn't use the joysticks, for instance), and you might |have "learned" some things that aren't so, or aren't guaranteed to |remain so. People who relied on your findings wouldn't be happy when |something changed. Furthermore, as you mentioned, there are things you |couldn't figure out. That just shows the inherent weakness of this |kind of analysis. | This is ridiculous. There may be inherent *legalities* about publishing a dismantled ROM, but there is no "inherent weakness" in this kind of analysis. It is merely very difficult. How do you think all of the IBM clone manufactures came up with *their* ROM BIOS and XBIOS stuff? Do you think they went up to Big Blue and said "excuse me, could you please give me a copy of your ROM code? I'd like to rewrite it for cloning." - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu Brown University | Also Internet: demillo@juliet.ll.mit.edu Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!" ------------------------------ Date: 27 Apr 90 18:57:02 GMT From: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixa.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@rutgers.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) Subject: STE TOS / TOS 1.4/1.6 etc. Message-ID: <1990Apr27.185702.10436@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> The basenote said something about how Atari wasn't in the developer support (HA!) area for their health and that anyone wanting detailed (HA!) information should become a registered developer. Doesn't it stand to reason that Atari could benefit far more by providing copious amounts of information about TOS at a reasonable price to a larger audience rather than releasing an expensive box of outdated photocopies? It seems to me that the ultimate success of a machine has a lot more to do with the number of people and quality of people writing software for it. What sense does it make to rape a few thousand people for developer docs when you could sell them more cheaply and get more people to write programs for your machine. Without software, the machine will die and the $10-20,000 you earned on selling those photocopies will not mean much anymore. Chris ------------------------------+--------------------------- Chris Mauritz |Where there's a BEER, cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu |there's a plan. (c)All rights reserved. | Send flames to /dev/null |Air Warrior is king! ------------------------------+--------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 14:53 EDT From: Subject: X Windows Can anyone tell me if there is a version of X Windows for the ST, and a source for it if it does exist? Thanks, "Certain it is and sure, BITNET: RJOHNSON@CEBAFVAX love burns, ale burns, INTERNET: RJOHNSON%CEBAF2.DNET@SURAGATE.CEBAF.GOV fire burns, politics burns. DECNET: 44507::RJOHNSON But cold is life without Reality: Rick R. Johnson them". - S'Task of ch'Rihan ================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 90 20:44+0200 From: Ritzert%DMZRZU71.BITNET@forsythe.Stanford.EDU Message-ID: <900427184417.722117@DMZRZU71-UNI-MAINZ--GERMANY> "Sho" writes >In article <1602@mcrware.UUCP> leeg@mcrware.UUCP (Lee Glenn) writes: >>In article <975@stasys.sta.sub.org> fkk@stasys.sta.sub.org (Frank Kaefer) > writes: >>>demon@desire.wright.edu writes: >>>Summary: Have you tried OS9 ? > >>Yes, I've tried OS9 and love it! >> >>Lee Glenn >>Software Engineer >>Microware Systems Corp. > >Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that you seem to work >at the company that manufactures OS9??? > >-Sho Probably. But Microware OS9 is really nice. Only far too expensive as an alternative os for the st. 1600,- DM for a developer's environment, 550,- DM for the port of a a PD windowing system (Bellcore's MGR, if it is not PD, please correct me). Please keep in mind that with gcc You get a complete and powerful development system for tos (and minix, as well) which is free! In my opinion, OS9 could be very successful if it was significantly cheaper, say 1/3 of its present price --- would still be about twice the cost of minix. I share this opinion with a some professional OS9 developers (and vendors). Dr. Michael Ritzert mjr@dmzrzu71.bitnet ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V90 Issue #483 *****************************************